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Internet Security LiveUpdate was over 350 MB. Now, neither Internet Explorer nor FireFox will open. They bomb out when trying. This machine is an XP machine, and was working yesterday. Since it affected both browsers, I suspected NIS.

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I uninstalled it, and reinstalled it without virus signatures, and then installed an older IntelligentUpdater file to get some signatures in there. The browsers were both back in business. Ran LiveUpdate, and again, once fully updated, the browsers were broken again. My CPU cannot handle SSE2 code.

Maybe the latest LiveUpdate installs a bad patch for me. Normally a LiveUpdate is only a few MB. The latest one is over 350MB. Is it possible to run an IntelligentUpdater file and only do the virus signature updates?

My older file contains signatures that are too old for safe web use. I can get the latest one, but uninstalling and reinstalling NIS is a pain, if I have to take the patch(es) too. Thanks, Rich P. As a software engineer, I am able to poke around, and have found a temporary workaround for this issue. It is definitely an NIS issue.

Live Update does deliver more than virus definitions. My machine is an older XP machine, and its CPU cannot handle SSIE2 code. I suspect that a very recent patch has been compiled or linked to include SSIE2 code. In any case, the patch interferes with the ability for at least 2 browsers to open. IE 8 just bombs out right away, and FireFox 45.0.2 throws an error code when trying to open.

I find that if I uninstall NIS (2014) and reinstall it, the browsers once again open and run fine. If I do a live update, the browsers break. If I repeat the process and only update the virus definitions (via intelligent updater and not LiveUpdate), NIS 2014 runs fine, and so do the browsers. The problem is an errant patch. Simply disabling Browser Protection, as a test, proved unfruitful when NIS was blowing up the browsers.

In any case, experimentation has yielded the following temporary work-around: 1. Using a functional computer, go here ( ) 2. Download the updater for your computer and Norton product 3. Put the downloaded exe file on your XP machine that is broken.

Disable the ability to connect to the web until NIS is back to working 5. Completely remove NIS (NRT not required) from your affected machine 6.

Reinstall NIS (mine was NIS 2014) 8. Run NIS user interface and, in Settings, disable ALL automatic updates. Apply & Close 9. If your subscription status is not restored, refresh it via 'Support-Subscription Status' (It should set you back to good subscription) 10. Run the downloaded Intelligent Updater exe. When done, reboot again 12. You should be good until a viable LiveUpdate fix is rolled out.

You just brought your virus definitions to current without modifying any engines. Do not run live or pulse updates until a good update has been rolled out and verified. You should be able to now safely connect to the web again. Repeat the definition updates (Intelligent Updater) as frequently as you would normally run LiveUpdate. It is a big file ( 400 MB) I have done this on my XP machine that was broken, and we are up and running and protected by NIS, and the affected browsers are again working. I will post back if I discover anything else along the way.

I don't know how to determine when the bad patch has been corrected, or if they intend to fix it at all. Good luck, Rich P. I would like to add that the Norton Support chat sessions I have experienced would fail the Turing Test quite badly. It was as if I was talking to a badly programmed computer. They were no help at all, even as I wanted to report this workaround and information for reporting back to the coding engineers for a fix. It is important to note that folks with this problem will not be able to come here, or engage with Norton chat, to obtain a solution or a workaround.

This is because their browsers will be inop. Enjoy, Rich P. Hi RibEye, Pretty nifty info on the workaround - if I may, I'd like to make a couple of suggestions to make it easier for the less tech savey to accomplish.

When you mention go here and download the updater - identify it as the Intelligent Updater (to match your later comment to run the Intelligent Updater as often as you would normally run live update). Spell out which automatic updates to disable. I'm afraid an inexperienced user may disable something they should not - like Auto-Protect.

As you are running V 21, you may desire to add turn off Automatic Download of New Version under Administrative Settings to your list of setting changes. If the version updated to v22 Norton could not be installed as the system is SSE2. Rich, have you found a solution yet? I mean, a real solution. Not a temporary workaround. I keep a copy of NAV 21.7.x.x on an old legacy computer w/o SSE2 CPU as well.

And per Symantec, this should be possible. On their Support-Help Site they write: The newest version of our Norton product (22.x.x.x) requires SSE2 compatibility to run. The Norton product version that is compatible with your processor SSE is 21.7.x.x. As was the case with you (and probably many other legacy users), out of the blue, probably after a live/pulse update, neither Firefox nor IE works.

The former won't start at all (error) and the latter starts and bombs out. This is unacceptable. Calling or Chatting with Symantec/Norton's support is useless as the guys (if they speak English at all) have no clue about the issue and indeed what I'm talking about.

A fix is needed from Symantec/Norton. So do something. I know that you are indeed checking this forum on a regular basis.

CeeBee, that is a serious relief. I know that it is not for you, but it is for me, knowing that I am not the only one. Confirmation is good. Unfortunately, the ball is in the hands of the Symantec coding department. I would imagine, once enough folks determine that the problem is with NIS, the powers that be will have to decide to go ahead and leave us old timers in the dust, or to find out what the problem is and fix it.

Fewer and fewer folks are using the older CPUs. I did find another with the same problem, but he is using Norton 360, and Live Update is killing his browsers too. He used Power Erasure, and it fixed his issue until Live Update broke him again. That is all I know about him. I recommended that he join us in here.

I could not get the support folks in India to commit to letting me know when the coding department has duplicated the problem and has created a patch to correct it. In fact, they would not, as usual, admit that a problem exists for anyone but me. I suggest that you get on the Norton Chat, and let them know that another long-time customer has been affected. I would be interested to see if my workaround is made available to you. I did give it to them, clearly and directly.

Unless I am contacted (not likely), I will have to periodically kick off a Live Update and see if it breaks my browsers, then go through the hassle of my workaround, to get them back. Please, whoever does this and does not get broken, please report back, and I will do likewise, if I am the first.

As for Norton support, in India, I hope that Symantec Corp is not paying very much for the service, because it is truly dismal. As previously stated, it would definitely not pass the Turing test (Google it and chuckle). I could get graphic very easily, so I will shut up now. I am a software engineer, so I know that support can be better. I have done it, and made customers actually happy.

Oh well.it is what it is. We can help each other as much as is possible from outside. Thanks for the confirmation of the problem. As previously stated, it is a great relief to me.

Please note that my issue with support is with the hopeless support fellows in India, not with the Norton folks here in the forum. I have no experience with Norton folks in the forum, solving or not solving issues. Actually, I would not mind being on the coding team. I am generally impressed with the Symantec products. However, when a patch breaks something, it sure breaks it good. Last time, it prevented NIS from running at all, so no Live Updates could be obtained, so no fix was possible until I came up with a similar workaround.

This time, all browsers are SNAFU'd, so folks with 1 PC can't find out what the problem is. At least NIS and Live Update continue to run this time, but I don't trust NIS to protect me, since I don't know how deep the bad patch goes, and what else is affected.

I am confident in my workaround getting adequate AV protection back, but I could be fooling myself, since I don't know what necessary patches have been implemented since my older version of NIS was released. Yank, your contributions are valid and valuable. I guess I presume too much proficiency, on the part of folks that find their way in here. Enjoy, Rich P. Rich, this is what I'll do (have done): 1. I'll re-image the c: drive to an earlier date (when Firefox/IE worked).

Then I'll turn off all Norton updates and I'll keep it that way as long as it takes to get/find a fix. Presumably no SSE2 modules will be downloaded, but, who knows. Not good, as I won't have the latest definition updates. But, better than nothing. I PM:ed a reliable Symantec staffer with a link to this thread, asking him to look into this issue asap. We'll see what happens.

There is always Avast! Free as a good alternative if no solution is found.

Don't forget to keep your virus definitions current via Intelligent Updater, as I linked to, above. The Updater files are huge ( 400 MB), so I hope your internet connection is not metered. As far as I can tell, the Updater files contain no patches, just virus signatures. I could be wrong. If I find that I am (I got bit), I'll report it in here. As for me, I intend to update my signatures once per week. Instead of once, per day, as previous to the most recent Live Update mine.

I have a practice of keeping Silent Mode active on all of my NIS-protected machines. That way, updates and scans are at my good pleasure, instead of right in the middle of an important task. Bandwidth is limited on my slower machines. Enjoy, Rich P. Dkberry2: Rich - Have exactly same problem except with Google Chrome. I believe I started having this problem. Bogging down and crashing Chrome.

About early March 2016. I am running Windows 7. Hi dkberry2: If you use a Chrome browser (which requires a Pentium 4 processor or later that's SSE2 capable) and Win 7 then your CPU likely supports the newer. If you aren't sure you can run Piriform's free utility to check your CPU specs. Piriform also offers a portable version of Speccy that can be unzipped and run off a USB stick if you don't want to install Speccy on your computer.

RibEye and CeeBee were both affected by an Aug 2014 LiveUpdate that caused browsers to crash on older computers with CPU processors that did not support SSE2 (see sewing1243's thread for one example), so I wouldn't be surprised if Symantec has pushed out another bad Intrusion Prevention System (IPS) engine or definitions update that only affects Norton v21.7.0.11 users with older XP/Vista computers. I suspect your Chrome problems are unrelated to the current IE8 and Firefox issues being discussed in this thread, and if that proves to be the case then you might want to start your own thread in the board to give your problem better exposure. EDIT: I just checked my NIS security history (History Show Intrusion Prevention) and it shows that a 11-May-2016 Automatic LiveUpdate updated the driver for my IP engine from v15.0.2.19 to v15.1.0.1263. That might explain why RIbEye's workaround to deliver Virus Definitions via the offline Intelligent Updater works - because this Intelligent Updater will only update traditional file-based virus definitions and not other security updates listed like IPS. 32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2. Firefox v46.0.1. NIS v21.7.0.11.

Speccy 1.29. RibEye and CeeBee were both affected by an Aug 2014 LiveUpdate that caused browsers to crash on older computers with CPU processors that did not support SSE2. Actually, in my case, this problem started on May 5, 2016 while on NAV 21.7.0.11.

After a re-image to April 29th I was fine until today when both Firefox and IE crashed per the above. I did another re-image, this time returning to May 11th, and a subsequent nixing of all updates under NAV's settings. Still running as of now. I may try to manually update the defs in some days. Just to clarify.

CeeBee: Actually, in my case, this problem started on May 5, 2016 while on NAV 21.7.0.11. Hi CeeBee: The release history for the IPS security updates for NAV at shows that Security Update 1571 (definition set ) was initially released on 05-May-2016 and that ' This security update provides an engine update'. The IPS release history for NIS at shows the same thing. My NIS security history shows that I did not receive definition set 20160504.001 i.e., my IPS definitions skipped from 20160503.001 (rel.

04-May-2016) directly to 20160508.001 on 09-May-2016) and my IP engine remained at v7.4.0.83 until it was updated to v7.6.0.216 on 11-May-2016 with so I wonder if the 05-May-2016 definition set 20160504.001 was pulled from the LiveUpdate servers because of an issue with the IPS engine update in that security update. Norton v22.6 users have also been requesting information about a new set of SDS Definitions that was delivered by LiveUpdate the first week of May 2016 (see Brocktoon's 06-May-2016 thread for one example) but I've looked through my LiveUpdate history dating back to May 4th and can't find any evidence that this Static Data Scanner was ever delivered to my older Norton v21.7 product. 32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2. Firefox v46.0.1. NIS v21.7.0.11.

MBAM Premium v2.2.1. I'll wait some days and if Firefox 45.1.1esr is still able to load/run then I'll try the direct definition download link. Decided to try it now. So, I imaged the c: drive to have a fresh copy in case of need. And then downloaded and installed the latest NAV definitions manually (440MB).

As far as I can determine, only virus definitions were updated and not the IPS stuff. This was also confirmed by checking my Security History. At any rate, no problems with Firefox or IE after the update. And then downloaded and installed the latest NAV definitions manually (440MB).

As far as I can determine, only virus definitions were updated and not the IPS stuff. This was also confirmed by checking my Security History. Hi CeeBee: I just wanted to confirm that the described in the support article will only download the latest 420 MB full set of traditional (file-based) virus definitions. These definitions use the SHA256 hash of a downloaded file to determine if the file is a known threat and has been added to the blacklist. If you go to the Virus Definitions & Security Updates page at and select your Norton product from the dropdown list, clicking the Definitions link under File-Based Protection (Traditional Antivirus) will redirect you to the Intelligent Updater.

The Virus Definitions & Security Updates page notes that updates for Intrusion Prevention (network-based IPS) and heuristic (behaviour-based) attack signatures can only be downloaded via LiveUpdate. Clicking the Release History links will redirect to detailed information on the threats and vulnerabilities added to each daily definition set update. 32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2. Firefox v46.0.1. NIS v21.7.0.11. MBAM Premium v2.2.1. Thanks, that's where I fetched my definitions download.

Used to do this (or similar) years ago when the Live Updater didn't work. During NT4 times or even before that. Going all the way back to PcDOS. Anyhow, the d/l seems to work okay. Had a brief Live Chat exchange with Support.

I gave a link to this thread and asked that a support person should look into the matter and post an update right here on the forum. The exchange was only partially productive, as I didn't get any useful answers (except we'll look into this.).

I finally ended my chat hoping for the best! I'll spare you the details (not constructive), hoping instead that Symantec really does look into this and finds a fix asap. CeeBee I finally ended my chat hoping for the best! We live in hope! It's not unkind to the CHAT people who an excellent job helping users on known problems to say that on the whole these Forum are probably a better place to get the attention of the Norton Staff who deal with the new problems and are involved in actual programming and QC.

You may not see them visibly - names in red - that often but some of them read every message here but rely on us users to do an initial 'triage' and help from our own experience when we can - just as you are doing. And those users here with the 'Guru' label do have our own area and routes direct to such Norton Staff. So thanks for covering both sides. I'm glad that I'm not suffering this problem myself. I'm using Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit version and although IE is my default I do use FF on some sites (eg HP) but I don't activate the Norton Tool Bar or Identity Safe. PS We both have about the same history of computer involvement although I started with Tandy - the TRS4P and then the 2000 - before getting a Toshiba laptop with WfWG3.11 and then moving on. Fortunately I never really had to use DOS especially for internet access.

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Actually my first computer was the remarkable - worth looking at if you are interested in history. An almost perfect design for non-technical users to use on highly technical uses (graphical analysis of data) considering how technology has changed since then! Sorry to ramble. You may not see them visibly - names in red - that often but some of them read every message here but rely on us users to do an initial 'triage'.

Hi Hugh, indeed, I had hoped (still hope.) that one of the 'red labeled' fellas would pick up the issue and push it with the smart coders. So we get back to order asap. Think I have done what I can for now, so I'll relax for a while. On the OT side, my 1st computer was an IBM 286/10MHz with 1MB memory and a 30MB HD. Thought I never be able to fill that drive.

Still have/use one of the programs from that time, even on my W7 computer. CeeBee Hi Hugh, indeed, I had hoped (still hope.) that one of the 'red labeled' fellas would pick up the issue and push it with the smart coders. So we get back to order asap. Think I have done what I can for now, so I'll relax for a while. The RedCoats are well aware of the problem since I'm sure my fellow gurus have drawn attention to it already. That they don't post is a matter of Priorities - if we can handle the messaging and report the emergencies then they can get on with the fixing. Let's chat in Tech Outpost on computing history if you feel like it.

DaveH: Sorry if I missed something, but can't you just turn off Intrusion Prevention? If your not able to update it your not getting full protection anyway. Instead of IPS, I would have guessed turning off browser protection and disabling the browsers plugins would have allowed you to use them without crashing. Hi DaveH: Disabling browser protection was suggested as temporary workaround in the old thread - see sewing1243's original suggestion in the thread - but I don't recall anyone ever posting back with feedback on whether this worked when IPS definitions were fully patched. The Norton Toolbar v2014.x extension is no longer supported in Firefox for NIS v21.7.0.11 users so the Norton browser extensions should already be automatically disabled when RibEye and CeeBee are using their Firefox browser. 32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2.

Firefox v46.0.1. NIS v21.7.0.11.

MBAM Premium v2.2.1. During my initial triage operations, I tried disabling Browser Protection. This had no effect. The browsers still could not open. I posted this in one of my first posts to this thread.

It would be easy to miss, among all of the other info posted since then. The Browser Protection module/library would be the first place I would look for the problem. Intrusion Prevention seems to speak of probes and other attacks to routers and such.

Looking from the outside, I can't tell the way protection is distributed in the overall application. When the errant code is in place, I do not know how much protection is taken out, along with the inability to open browsers. It does not appear that internet communication in general is not affected, but I can't confirm that, because I immediately disabled internet access until I was able to get NIS back up and running. Enjoy, Rich P. RibEye: During my initial triage operations, I tried disabling Browser Protection. This had no effect.

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The browsers still could not open. I posted this in one of my first posts to this thread.

It would be easy to miss, among all of the other info posted since then. Hi RibEye: Thanks for confirming that disabling did not solve the problem, and apologies for missing the comment that you posted in an earlier post. I don't know if disabling (Settings Network Intrusion Prevention Intrusion Prevention OFF) would allow your browsers to function normally, but if you or CeeBee ever test with a fully patched system (i.e., with IPS definitions updated to IPS engine v7.6.0.217 / IPS driver v15.1.0.1263 or later by LiveUpdate) it would be interesting to see if this worked as a temporary workaround.

32-bit Vista Home Premium SP2. Firefox v46.0.1. NIS v21.7.0.11. MBAM Premium v2.2.1. I'm thinking that I might give Live Update a shot, once per week. If I do and my browsers get hosed, I will try disabling Intrusion Prevention, to see what affect that has. I do not recommend running your system, connected to the web with either, Browser Protection, or Intrusion Prevention disabled.

It is simply not safe. However, if that is the only way to get here, via browser (you only have the one machine), it is a chance you may carefully decide to take. I'm thinking that I don't run a Live Update risk until hearing an acknowledgement of the problem from a Norton employee. It does no good to take the risk until attempts have been made to correct the problem. R&R'ing NIS is not without its own risks. I am willing to try updates, as possible fixes are rolled out, since I do have a viable test bed. I am not willing to ping Live Update until I happen to stumble into a fixed patch, however.

If a Norton employee, or other viable source says, 'We may have a fix. Try it now,' I am willing.

We don't even know if Norton intends to address this issue at all yet. There does seem to be a small number of affected customers.cost vs. Benefit analysis. I do want to emphasize that the manifestation of the problem does not intuitively point to NIS, so the number of folks reporting the issue to Norton might very small, compared to the number of affected users. Some might not even be able to access the web, via browsers, to google the existence of the problem. Chat support denies that anyone has the problem, but me.Typical Enjoy, Rich P.

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I'm sorry, the request requires me to install software and grant access to my machine to others. I am legally restricted from granting such access. The affected machine is loaded with proprietary and legally privileged data, as well as protected trade secrets. I have provided all that I have been able to glean about the issue, in my above posts.

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If there are specifics about my system, beyond what I have provided above, please make your requests in this thread, and I will comply if I can. Maybe others with this issue can grant you access to their machines.